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my previous post was deleted by blog author with lichess moderator approval for falling under the vague "innapropriate" behavior. I do have a hypothesis of the nature of the problem about my commenting on some methodology aspect.

But, I only understand that this might just be a critical comment about a series of blogs which I am otherwise positively commenting. I think my posts have been balanced and principled... I may not use the established english frozen terminology to point at chess things, but I would not see that as innapropritate...

So I find myself, since there is no lichess explanation, and in this incident nothing specfically pointed in my post to justify this blog author possibly censorship feature, under the guise of lichess TOS, to test again. With post probing. I suspect this very post to be "degommé" pretty soon.. so I will post modular tests. see next post for testing blog discussion blog author right to steer or delete posts with the help of possible lichess moderator of the moment.

my previous post was deleted by blog author with lichess moderator approval for falling under the vague "innapropriate" behavior. I do have a hypothesis of the nature of the problem about my commenting on some methodology aspect. But, I only understand that this might just be a critical comment about a series of blogs which I am otherwise positively commenting. I think my posts have been balanced and principled... I may not use the established english frozen terminology to point at chess things, but I would not see that as innapropritate... So I find myself, since there is no lichess explanation, and in this incident nothing specfically pointed in my post to justify this blog author possibly censorship feature, under the guise of lichess TOS, to test again. With post probing. I suspect this very post to be "degommé" pretty soon.. so I will post modular tests. see next post for testing blog discussion blog author right to steer or delete posts with the help of possible lichess moderator of the moment.
#5

Good questions, and developping question, illustrating what one could do with a open data provided database.

However there is a lack in methodology transparency at the database manipulation level that could obscure the validity of the results.

Good questions, and developping question, illustrating what one could do with a open data provided database. However there is a lack in methodology transparency at the database manipulation level that could obscure the validity of the results.
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@dboing said in #5:

Good questions, and developping question, illustrating what one could do with a open data provided database.

However there is a lack in methodology transparency at the database manipulation level that could obscure the validity of the results.

The only reason for the deletion is the continuous comment about releasing code. I have repeated my times more than enough by now and I would not want any comment about that.

@dboing said in #5: > Good questions, and developping question, illustrating what one could do with a open data provided database. > > However there is a lack in methodology transparency at the database manipulation level that could obscure the validity of the results. The only reason for the deletion is the continuous comment about releasing code. I have repeated my times more than enough by now and I would not want any comment about that.
#7

@oortcloud_o said in #6:

The only reason for the deletion is the continuous comment about releasing code. I have repeated my times more than enough by now and I would not want any comment about that.

I did not specifiy code. but sharing how you slice the database. however you do it. My minimal post above stands in more general term.. I see how you could have understood me as insisting on propagating open source and open data lichess spirit to sharing code. The point of code would have been that it would have left your blog writing effort minimal in wordy explanations.

But the fact is that without method sections, the statistical figures are your word. and the audience of data analysis familiarity is left with a hunger for keys toward accepting what your figures are proposing as not being artefacts (or lack of if negative) of the exact database slicing criterias behind each figures.

So not the code itself is my concern, the statistical results is. But that is not the first time in chess that database manipulation obscurity is tolerated.. I come from more scientific background, where I had to use data analysis, and clearly, the results depends on what one can do at the level of slicing of the databases (like curated chess database with vague protocols, which mean, one does not know what is in the database really, for there is no tradition of reproducible data massaging in chess, exception being perhaps lichess opening repositiory, where one can see the diversity of argurments that go into a chess curation effort, kudos for this experiment). you can delete this post.

I also liked the linkage betwee the title question and narrowing down to the first apparent fuzzyness of 1,3,3,5,9. that got deleted too. 3=3 but knight mobility abstract board figure is not = bishop mobitiliy abstract board figure ( i.e. those we learn first and keep seeing very well in simpler terms in endgame material "density" range.

PS: I have been trying to help you, believe it or not.

@oortcloud_o said in #6: > The only reason for the deletion is the continuous comment about releasing code. I have repeated my times more than enough by now and I would not want any comment about that. I did not specifiy code. but sharing how you slice the database. however you do it. My minimal post above stands in more general term.. I see how you could have understood me as insisting on propagating open source and open data lichess spirit to sharing code. The point of code would have been that it would have left your blog writing effort minimal in wordy explanations. But the fact is that without method sections, the statistical figures are your word. and the audience of data analysis familiarity is left with a hunger for keys toward accepting what your figures are proposing as not being artefacts (or lack of if negative) of the exact database slicing criterias behind each figures. So not the code itself is my concern, the statistical results is. But that is not the first time in chess that database manipulation obscurity is tolerated.. I come from more scientific background, where I had to use data analysis, and clearly, the results depends on what one can do at the level of slicing of the databases (like curated chess database with vague protocols, which mean, one does not know what is in the database really, for there is no tradition of reproducible data massaging in chess, exception being perhaps lichess opening repositiory, where one can see the diversity of argurments that go into a chess curation effort, kudos for this experiment). you can delete this post. I also liked the linkage betwee the title question and narrowing down to the first apparent fuzzyness of 1,3,3,5,9. that got deleted too. 3=3 but knight mobility abstract board figure is not = bishop mobitiliy abstract board figure ( i.e. those we learn first and keep seeing very well in simpler terms in endgame material "density" range. PS: I have been trying to help you, believe it or not.
#8

@dboing said in #7:

I will think about ways but please don't write in every post and message about that. I am tired of the topic to the extent I would rather stop blogging.

@dboing said in #7: > I will think about ways but please don't write in every post and message about that. I am tired of the topic to the extent I would rather stop blogging.
#9

@oortcloud_o said in #8:

I will think about ways but please don't write in every post and message about that. I am tired of the topic to the extent I would rather stop blogging.

There are few blogs here on lichess, that show how to present the database manipulation level. Although they might also provide for code ways to reproduce, I am more pointing to the blog text itself. It does not have to be exhaustive details, but if one were to take lichess database and use their own code, they could be able to reproduce your slicing steps. It could be in the legend of the figures. Or in appendix. and method section. I know, it can be chore, but it also can help you in some sort of sound boarding. (not only a key for other heads to look at same problem as you, but your own, later, in a spaced revisit long term effect, something like that). Courage, you ask good questions and share your reasoning about chess, the database part is shop, but worth it for others to be able to discuss and actually give you ideas, participate in the fun topics your are uncovering yourself.

@oortcloud_o said in #8: > I will think about ways but please don't write in every post and message about that. I am tired of the topic to the extent I would rather stop blogging. There are few blogs here on lichess, that show how to present the database manipulation level. Although they might also provide for code ways to reproduce, I am more pointing to the blog text itself. It does not have to be exhaustive details, but if one were to take lichess database and use their own code, they could be able to reproduce your slicing steps. It could be in the legend of the figures. Or in appendix. and method section. I know, it can be chore, but it also can help you in some sort of sound boarding. (not only a key for other heads to look at same problem as you, but your own, later, in a spaced revisit long term effect, something like that). Courage, you ask good questions and share your reasoning about chess, the database part is shop, but worth it for others to be able to discuss and actually give you ideas, participate in the fun topics your are uncovering yourself.
#10

Three bishops is better than a queen according to alpha zero

Three bishops is better than a queen according to alpha zero