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Who thinks Hans Niemann is cheating in the Sinquefield cup 2022?

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"we currently have no indication" is not at all the same as "confirmed that [he] did not cheat."

"we currently have no indication" is not at all the same as "confirmed that [he] did not cheat."

@StanFurd

Well, where nothing can be found, you can't find anything either. That's confirmation enough for me. LOL!

@StanFurd Well, where nothing can be found, you can't find anything either. That's confirmation enough for me. LOL!

If you think you are the "official" ruler of the chess world, sure.

Might want to update your handle to Rex - or Kirsan?

If you think you are the "official" ruler of the chess world, sure. Might want to update your handle to Rex - or Kirsan?

@StanFurd said in #96:

Might want to update your handle to Rex - or Kirsan?

Cool idea! Lol!

@StanFurd said in #96: > Might want to update your handle to Rex - or Kirsan? Cool idea! Lol!

Count me in the corner that Niemann is cheating. He's Borislav Ivanov 2.0, reeks of suspicion... his ridiculous rise from 2500 to 2700 (way more difficult than even Ivanov's rise from 2300/IM to 2500/GM level), Niemann's analysis is clownish, he acts like a child, and of course his past online cheating. I have no doubt in my military mind he's cheating otb, that he's found a way to beat the current anti-cheat system. *I also have no doubt Niemann is a very talented and skilled chess player, even (lower) GM level... but he hit a wall and his only recourse to wealth and fame (motivation, and imo Niemann's a narcissist) is to cheat, and hope no one figures out how. **I also think Niemann is low-key having a go at the chess world, laughing at the chess world, that he can cheat and get away with it... I'm just waiting for the day he slips up, as all cheaters do.

Count me in the corner that Niemann is cheating. He's Borislav Ivanov 2.0, reeks of suspicion... his ridiculous rise from 2500 to 2700 (way more difficult than even Ivanov's rise from 2300/IM to 2500/GM level), Niemann's analysis is clownish, he acts like a child, and of course his past online cheating. I have no doubt in my military mind he's cheating otb, that he's found a way to beat the current anti-cheat system. *I also have no doubt Niemann is a very talented and skilled chess player, even (lower) GM level... but he hit a wall and his only recourse to wealth and fame (motivation, and imo Niemann's a narcissist) is to cheat, and hope no one figures out how. **I also think Niemann is low-key having a go at the chess world, laughing at the chess world, that he can cheat and get away with it... I'm just waiting for the day he slips up, as all cheaters do.

@WassimBerbar said in #57:

I think he's innocent until the opposite is proven. Would someone bother himself to cheat in such a safe secure place like in the STL Chess Club? And why? Anyway, we don't have enough information to prove Hans cheated; We only have one game, and GMs know chess very well (better than me :(). We can be sure a for example 1300 cheated, but we can't be sure a GM cheated, because GMs play veery accurately and rarely do mistakes in long time controls.

Innocent until proven guilty? Yes, this is a given.

Would he bother to cheat...? YES. He's done it before, TWICE, online! Wealth and fame are strong motivations. If you could figure out how to beat anti-cheat measures, wouldn't that be tempting?! Niemann is far from the first player to try cheating OTB, doubtful he'll be the last. (imo he's cheating, and I could be wrong.)

We don't have hard evidence of Hans cheating, the devices and or method, but we do have plenty of suspicious activity besides past cheating online... an amazing rise from 2500 to 2700, a ridiculous feat in so short a time, something that a little (read: a LOT of) engine assistance would be probable. Niemann's post-game analysis is horrible and/or clownish, with glaring errors throughout... this is NOT a "Super" GM, this is an imposter.

As for GM's rarely make mistakes (and this goes to a comment made by another poster earlier in the thread), World Champion Magnus Carlsen GOT HIS ASS HANDED TO HIM BY NIEMANN. I have to say that in caps because this just doesn't happen, whether its classical or blitz, Carlsen is nobody's bitch. (*I should also point out I'm not a Carlsen fanboy... actually, I'm not really a fan of any current players, more of a Tal fanboy, or Fischer before he went off the deep end.) To be honest even GM's blunder once in a blue moon, make a mistake on occasion, and inaccuracies here and there... generally the exception and not the norm. If this is the case, what happened??? (This is important...) Answer: an engine happened. Engines are so strong that they make any human look stupid. Engines can take the slightest inaccuracy and make it snowball into a clear advantage. Carlsen could absolutely nothing against Niemann, start to finish. (For a much harsher example of this check out some of the more obvious cheating games of Borislav Ivanov, where he crushes GM's OTB... one game was the most brutal strangulation you will ever see in a game of chess, it wouldn't surprise me if the GM quit chess and took up knitting.) Here's another tidbit to consider... do you have to use the strongest move? Sure, if you want to be "CPT Obvious" and go to chess jail. Otherwise you can play less strong moves while maintaining advantage and getting a win in the end. (Kinda sucks, but everything evolves... even cheaters.) Bottom line: the strongest player in the world got manhandled, ragdolled, something no one else has even come close to doing. (*Bobby Fischer is the closest anyone has come to being the human equivalent of a chess engine, at least until Carlsen came along... imo it would take a real engine to ragdoll Carlsen.)

In the end it all comes down to Niemann... will he live up to his new found strength? Will he fall off the map? Maybe he faceplants on a board at a tournament after his device shorts out, who knows. ;}

@WassimBerbar said in #57: > I think he's innocent until the opposite is proven. Would someone bother himself to cheat in such a safe secure place like in the STL Chess Club? And why? Anyway, we don't have enough information to prove Hans cheated; We only have one game, and GMs know chess very well (better than me :(). We can be sure a for example 1300 cheated, but we can't be sure a GM cheated, because GMs play veery accurately and rarely do mistakes in long time controls. Innocent until proven guilty? Yes, this is a given. Would he bother to cheat...? YES. He's done it before, TWICE, online! Wealth and fame are strong motivations. If you could figure out how to beat anti-cheat measures, wouldn't that be tempting?! Niemann is far from the first player to try cheating OTB, doubtful he'll be the last. (imo he's cheating, and I could be wrong.) We don't have hard evidence of Hans cheating, the devices and or method, but we do have plenty of suspicious activity besides past cheating online... an amazing rise from 2500 to 2700, a ridiculous feat in so short a time, something that a little (read: a LOT of) engine assistance would be probable. Niemann's post-game analysis is horrible and/or clownish, with glaring errors throughout... this is NOT a "Super" GM, this is an imposter. As for GM's rarely make mistakes (and this goes to a comment made by another poster earlier in the thread), World Champion Magnus Carlsen GOT HIS ASS HANDED TO HIM BY NIEMANN. I have to say that in caps because this just doesn't happen, whether its classical or blitz, Carlsen is nobody's bitch. (*I should also point out I'm not a Carlsen fanboy... actually, I'm not really a fan of any current players, more of a Tal fanboy, or Fischer before he went off the deep end.) To be honest even GM's blunder once in a blue moon, make a mistake on occasion, and inaccuracies here and there... generally the exception and not the norm. If this is the case, what happened??? (This is important...) Answer: an engine happened. Engines are so strong that they make any human look stupid. Engines can take the slightest inaccuracy and make it snowball into a clear advantage. Carlsen could absolutely nothing against Niemann, start to finish. (For a much harsher example of this check out some of the more obvious cheating games of Borislav Ivanov, where he crushes GM's OTB... one game was the most brutal strangulation you will ever see in a game of chess, it wouldn't surprise me if the GM quit chess and took up knitting.) Here's another tidbit to consider... do you have to use the strongest move? Sure, if you want to be "CPT Obvious" and go to chess jail. Otherwise you can play less strong moves while maintaining advantage and getting a win in the end. (Kinda sucks, but everything evolves... even cheaters.) Bottom line: the strongest player in the world got manhandled, ragdolled, something no one else has even come close to doing. (*Bobby Fischer is the closest anyone has come to being the human equivalent of a chess engine, at least until Carlsen came along... imo it would take a real engine to ragdoll Carlsen.) In the end it all comes down to Niemann... will he live up to his new found strength? Will he fall off the map? Maybe he faceplants on a board at a tournament after his device shorts out, who knows. ;}

@ChessPriyome said in #81:

My opinion is it makes Carlsen's decision to forego defense of his crown as forward-seeing, insomuch as he is very aware of his declining skills at chess. I hope he is as good at poker. At poker, you can always blame the cards.

The hand is over and nobody wants to play with Carlsen. If he decides after the current WC cycle is completed that he wants to try and take it back, that will be far harder than simply defending his crown this cycle.

This will be a bad scar on his reputation for a long time if he does not clarify what he means.

As for Hikaru, well, nobody cares.

"Carlsen's declining skills"?! Are you high, like 24/7??? I don't know what alternate universe you're watching but Carlsen is probably still short of his peak, he's likely bored with the competition currently being pitted against him. I mean, damn, those "declining skills" were really apparent when Carlsen dropped Nepo like a bad date. ;[

@ChessPriyome said in #81: > My opinion is it makes Carlsen's decision to forego defense of his crown as forward-seeing, insomuch as he is very aware of his declining skills at chess. I hope he is as good at poker. At poker, you can always blame the cards. > > The hand is over and nobody wants to play with Carlsen. If he decides after the current WC cycle is completed that he wants to try and take it back, that will be far harder than simply defending his crown this cycle. > > This will be a bad scar on his reputation for a long time if he does not clarify what he means. > > As for Hikaru, well, nobody cares. "Carlsen's declining skills"?! Are you high, like 24/7??? I don't know what alternate universe you're watching but Carlsen is probably still short of his peak, he's likely bored with the competition currently being pitted against him. I mean, damn, those "declining skills" were really apparent when Carlsen dropped Nepo like a bad date. ;[

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